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Comparison: 2011 Chevrolet Camaro vs 2011 Dodge Challenger vs 2011 Ford Mustang vs 2011 Hyundai Gene

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  1. Theresa

    Theresa Challenger Life Moderator Staff Member

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    Comparison: 2011 Chevrolet Camaro vs 2011 Dodge Challenger vs 2011 Ford Mustang vs 2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe

    Stylized, affordable, and with a dollop of sport, the ponycar formula has changed little in its 46-year history. The quartet of modern versions we assembled here are draped in rakish, come-hither sheetmetal; equipped with smaller, fuel-efficient V-6 engines; affordable to the masses; and yet still offer satisfying power.

    If you're experiencing deja vu, there's good reason. We last assembled this crew in July, when the Mustang put a 3.7-liter smackdown on its domestic brethren, but lost to the Korean newcomer. (The resulting outrage ignited Internet forums for months.) Then, we were looking for the sportiest, most fun among them -- the best hustle car.

    But that wonderfully balanced Hyundai? Those manual transmissions? Fanboy fantasy. When it comes to the real world, people buy high-content, automatic/V-6 pairings. In this gang, that combo accounts for around 50 percent of each marque's volume (the Genesis is the exception, mostly selling with the far less-expensive turbo 2.0-liter mill).

    We attempted to gather players most representative of this ponycar class. Two caveats: A Camaro couldn't be delivered in time, so we rented one from Hertz. The only Genesis trim available was the Track variant ringer that won the previous comparison.

    Our quest was to find the holy grail of the people's ponycar, the one that best combines sport, functionality, and value in a daily driver. We learned there are three very good cars here that are as close to a tie as you can get.

    Continued.....



     
  2. Houdini

    Houdini Platinum Level Supporter

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    MotorTrend still doesn't get it. Even though they clearly state why it shouldn't be included.

    "...the ponycar formula has changed little in its 46-year history. The quartet of modern versions we assembled here..."

    The Hyundai Genesis isn't a modern version of pony cars with a 46 year history. The history of the Hyundai Genesis begins in 2008 as a 4 door sedan (that's not a pony car), and has a shorter history beginning in 2010 as a coupe. And the coupe doesn't even have a V8 option, just a 4cyl or V6 (and that's not a pony car - if it is, then so is every 2 door V6).

    :steamingears::cussing:
     
  3. Theresa

    Theresa Challenger Life Moderator Staff Member

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    Feel better? lol I didn't want to give any of my commentary because it wouldn't have been very kind. I agree that the Hyundai has no right to be included in the category. I don't understand what is so difficult in just judging the cars that fit the definition, rather than trying to change the definition to fit someone's idea of a good car.

    They either have an agenda to push or they're just plain stupid.
     
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    Chris1992 Challenger Life Moderator Staff Member

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    Look on the bright side the new SE got a 14.8 1/4 mile with a 6.4 0-60!
    All that with weighing an extra 100-200lbs :thumbupleft:
     
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    Theresa Challenger Life Moderator Staff Member

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    :) My bright side is that I get to drive the car, I'm happy with the car, and MotorTrend can go jump in the lake. lol
     
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    Lots of flaws and in their analysis of the V6 cars
    # 1. A Korean Import is NOT A PONY CAR. No ifs ands or buts. I didn't even bother reading that section. So the Challenger moves to the #2 spot in my opinion. Not a bad place, and still on the pedastal.
    Since I'll never buy Motor Trend Magazines or procure products from their advertisers, my opinion does not matter.

    Not sure how they rated the Mustang #1 with these adjectives:

    "The Mustang is not the fastest [FONT=inherit!important]car here. Nor is it the most eye-catching. Or the best handler. These traits we've already bestowed upon the preceding cars -- as well as their inherent downsides. The Mustang instead takes these qualities, lessens their ill effects just so, and blends them into an ideal mix."[/FONT]



    When one identifies negative characteristics, they don't improve when combined together so I'm really uncertain how they rate this V6 #1 of the three legendary Pony Cars.
     
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    Tell it like it is!


    For me I like to relate it to a guitar amp. There are a ton of "do all" amplifiers that are pretty good at a lot of things, but not great at any one tone. Which is why I own a Marshall amp! But I digress...



    Tell it like it is sista!


    I know! This is a BIG improvement...that is if your into the speed thing. But this brings me to a point. No disrespect to any SE owners but most don't buy it to be the fastest or the quickest throught the slalom. They buy it for it's looks, the way it makes them feel based on emotional response and the history of the Challenger, and they want to save some gas in comparison to a thirsty V8 version. It's a great daily driver choice while still being fast enough in any real world situation, come on, let's face it! I'm sure it's not all of the reasons SE owners choose the V6 but some of it is prolly true. Chime in SE'ers!


    Hilarious! lol



    You know what's funny? Just about 3hrs ago I turned in my rental P.O.S. Sentra because it was a mess (literally), they gave me the damn thing with a filthy back seat and...I kid you not...blood all over the passenger side! Didn't notice it till my daughter told me about it the next day! The car has Massachusetts license plates on it and either a murder suspect turned it in at Avis in Jersey, or a Deer was hit by a tractor trailer in front of it and the car received the splatter. ??? At any rate, I requested a new rental. Guess what they just gave me? A 2011 Hyundai Sonata! lol It's not a Genesis coupe (which I've test drove before and wasn't impressed with at all, but will say I think it has a nice sporty look on the outside for a ricer). However, the Sonata is HEAD AND SHOULDERS above that P.O.S. Sentra!

    But more importantly, after driving these cars...I really REALLY miss driving my Challenger. Say what they will about our so-called boring dull interiors, man I LOVE my interior! Nothing makes me feel like I do when I'm in my Challenger! Nothing ever has come close except for that one 'Cuda that got away. :;:)
     
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    That Toxic Orange is pretty outrageous!
     
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    dwb09ChallengerM New Member

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    Well one good thing about MT is that they get the best test result numbers.The 0-60 and 1/4 mile results are good but its w/the 3.06 optional rear of the ss/t package.I wonder what it would be like w/the standard 2.65 rear.
     
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    Yes but that is w/the optional 3.06 rear of the SS/T package.The standard rear is 2.65.
     
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    Another thing I'd like to mention. Shut the doors on the other 3, then shut the doors on a Challenger. BIG difference in feel of solidness and workmanship! Something to be said for the extra bit of heft IMO.

    Now I'm shutting the door on this case.
     
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    Theresa Challenger Life Moderator Staff Member

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    Boring you, Tony? I'm sorry. LOL
     
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    idmtfirefighter Well-Known Member

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    can anyone cut and paste the whole article? My work network won't let me access and I barely have time to get on the computer after hours at home. I barely get C Life at work which actually amazes me it's not blocked.
     
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    idmtfirefighter Well-Known Member

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    Chiming in for Chris...

    SE owners choose their Challengers for the same reason others do...a multitude of factors.
    For most it's financial I think...buying the best level challenger they can afford.
    For some money isn't the issue...I could have afforded the R/T easily but the $7-8K difference in price was not worth it to me for my driving style.
    For some it's simply about styling and a SE looks just as good as a R/T or SRT so why pony up more money if looks is what you're going for.
    For some the realization that time is linear, constant, and unidirectional did not factor into their purchase choice. And please no crack pot references to anti-time subspace anomalies either. I have had it up to here with that theory.

    With all that said though it's nice to see the SE on a more level playing field performance wise with the competition.
     
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    Theresa Challenger Life Moderator Staff Member

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    Give me a few minutes. I'm sorry about that.
     
  16. Theresa

    Theresa Challenger Life Moderator Staff Member

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    Page one is posted in the OP.
    Page Two:

    FOURTH: CHEVROLET CAMARO
    Concept in Need of Vision

    While its last-place finish may reek of a vast anti-GM conspiracy to our ever-vigilant, tinfoil hat-wearing letter writers, this Camaro -- the one with 11,000 miles of renta car duties on its odometer -- fared rather well.

    No scars of abuse spoiled the Camaro's chassis, which delivered a surprisingly supple ride. Through city streets and rough patches of pavement, the Camaro's suspension soaked up bumps and road imperfections with aplomb. It was the second-best-riding car of this group.

    When the road opened up, the powertrain impressed us as well. The Camaro matched its archnemesis Mustang in acceleration, not to mention braking and handling metrics. Consider the extra 287 pounds the Camaro carries around, and its reclassified 312 ponies may be more than just marketing one-upmanship. Yet its size and heft come at no discernible benefit. The Camaro shades more asphalt than the Mustang does, but its interior feels comparatively cramped.

    Its small trunk opening only makes the tiny cargo volume even that much more apparent.

    Thus, the Camaro's failing is its function-be-damned styling. The concept-car sheetmetal exudes cool, but leaves the driver with a small slit of sunlight between two massive A-pillars. Maneuvering through narrow, curb-lined parking lots left us wincing in anticipation of the inevitable damaged wheel.

    Interior functionality was likewise "sacrificed to the altar of style," noted assistant Web producer Scott Evans. A cumbersome steering wheel offers nonsensical button placement and functions (the dial that adjusts audio tracks also changes the audio source), and the pale green illumination could double for a "Space Invaders" high score screen.

    The biggest omission is the optional navigation system, a feature that every other car in this group has. Our rental had a Hertz unit called Neverlost sprouting from the dash, reminding us that a buyer's only recourse rests with the aftermarket.

    The Camaro compromises the most important components of a daily driver for the sake of looking cool.

    Commuters spend much of their drive playing with infotainment systems and winding through grocery store parking lots. If the Camaro can't do either of these tasks well, there's no reason it should take anything above last place.


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    THIRD: DODGE CHALLENGER
    Master and Commander

    There would've been little shock if the last Challenger's speedometer measured knots. The most nautical of the group in terms of handling, that car fell behind the pack in every measurable metric, save for curbside appeal. The 2011 model carries a new 3.6-liter V-6 with class-competitive power and a freshened suspension. The result is the most improved car here -- less barge, more sport ship.

    The suspension changes pay the biggest dividends. Despite its chrome-clad 20-inch wheels, the Challenger rides the smoothest of the group, isolating the cabin from the realities of the harshest roads. A new electric power steering unit and a smaller, leather-wrapped wheel provide a stronger sense of control. It's a perfect mix for long hauls across state lines.

    Furthering the improvements is the $1335 Super Sport pack, which installs a 3.06 axle ratio and upgraded rubber, brakes, and suspension. Our Challenger cut 0.4 second from its figure-eight time and scored second-best in braking -- last time it was 25 feet longer than the third-worst finisher.

    With a sophisticated howl, the V-6's power won't disappoint during onramp drag races. It might, however, confuse onlookers. The Challenger demands a growl -- a cacophony akin to grunts around a bonfire. The new note is pleasant, but at odds with the anticipatory Neanderthal soundtrack.

    The engine's freshness emphasizes the age of the five-speed automatic, which still is one gear too short. And, at more than 3934 pounds, weight remains in excess of acceptable. The Challenger is slower than every car here, but gets kudos for being 1.1 seconds faster to 60 mph than the outgoing car -- an impressive performance, considering the heft in those 20-inch wheels.

    The Challenger remains a huge car, eclipsing the rest of the field with inches to spare in every direction. But with the most interior space and biggest trunk, it's the easiest to load with cargo or friends, and the latter will be reasonably comfortable in the back seat. The size also allows for a glorious exterior, relentless in its evocation of the original. Every time you check the sideview mirrors, you glimpse the bulging rear fenders, intimidating traffic. Conversely, mall parking lots can make you feel like you're parking a yacht in a dingy-size space.

    For all the character the exterior delivers, the interior falls short. Sure, there's navigation software from Garmin, but the infotainment's presentation is low-tech compared to offerings from Hyundai and Ford. Big changes have happened inside the new Journey and Charger, and they can't come to the Challenger soon enough.

    If this were a Pixar film, the Challenger's endearing character would play your heartstrings when it valiantly fought the competition. As a driver in reality, its size, transmission, and just adequate interior amenities narrowly hold it back from second place.

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    SECOND: HYUNDAI GENESIS
    Driver's Choice

    Well, this is awkward. The car here that most proudly exhibits the musclecar ethos is a Hyundai. Check the stats: The Genesis is the smallest and lightest, and it packs the biggest stick. With the best pound/horsepower ratio, basic physics puts the Genesis ahead of the pack in testing. But it's the engine's sonorous howl and the chassis' nimbleness and control that push this coupe to a higher level of driving enthusiasm. Are you a purist? Stop reading now and go to a Hyundai dealer.

    An automatic transmission doesn't mar the experience one bit. The ZF-sourced box is heads above the domestic trannies, telepathic in its ability to find the ideal gear for any situation. The Genesis won't hesitate to drop three gears for a delightful onramp blast or a two-lane highway pass for fear of fuel economy. Despite this aggressiveness, the Genesis managed to score the top spot during our observed fuel-economy testing.

    The package even conjures fun in low-speed traffic with eager throttle and deft steering response. The car's comparatively diminutive size offers the best visibility in the group, and it's the most nimble. Obviously, the Track designation gives the Hyundai a sporting advantage over the rest of the group, but remember, we've already ranked it above the Mustang's V-6 Performance Pack. This Genesis understandably rides the firmest of the group, but the experience isn't jarring or rough. Instead, the chassis transmits the subtleties of the road.

    The Genesis has a strong range. With a heavy emphasis on sport, it easily will appeal to daily drivers and boy racer buyers, so long as they're single: The Genesis' backseat volume and cargo capacity suffer from its small stature. And while its interior is functional, styling on all fronts leaves our judging panel polarized. Some enjoy its curves; others remain confused about the rear window's droop into the bodyline. While the Genesis' curbside appeal is debatable, there is another car here whose styling confuses no one.


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    WINNER: FORD MUSTANG
    Ponycar King

    The Mustang is not the fastest car here. Nor is it the most eye-catching. Or the best handler. These traits we've already bestowed upon the preceding cars -- as well as their inherent downsides. The Mustang instead takes these qualities, lessens their ill effects just so, and blends them into an ideal mix.

    With 305 horsepower, the most torque, and a curb weight just 41 pounds heavier than the smaller Genesis, the Mustang delivers ample acceleration, either tying or scoring strong second-place finishes in each performance metric. Plus, its fuel economy earns top honors from the EPA, and second-best on our drive.

    The Mustang delivers style in spades, inducing a sense of cool even when parked next to the other more dramatic nostalgia-mobiles. Its shape has undergone 47 years of refinement, allowing it to evoke the spirit of the original car without compromising functionality. And while its character isn't as immediately gratifying as th Challenger's blast of Toxic Orange, the Mustang won't grow tiresome day in and day out.

    Only very serious driving enthusiasts will find faults with the Mustang's handling in this trim. Being the softest sprung of the bunch, the Mustang can become unnerving in excess of 7/10ths ("Wallowing at speed is unnerving," per editor at large Ron Kiino).

    But for the majority of city drivers, the smoother ride is worth some backroad unpleasantry. Ford offers better suspenders in the V-6 Performance Package ($1995), but limits the option to manual-equipped cars. Enthusiasts will buy the car fitted as such anyway, as the six-speed automatic here quickly races to top gear in the hunt for every last bit of fuel economy.

    Most buyers won't notice such omissions. Instead, they'll enjoy the wonderfully styled and feature-rich interior. The always fantastic Sync comes standard, setting the bar for audio systems in this segment. A backup camera is available without choosing the $2340 navigation package's screen, adding a display in the rearview mirror. Ford also boasts a plethora of customization options, allowing buyers to tailor their future car from the factory. Don't like the standard fascia? Change it. Want a hood scoop, or some stripes? Have them.

    No, it's not the quickest, most fun, or loaded with the most character. But the Mustang happily marries each of these attributes into a liveable, realistic daily driver with little compromise. By a thin margin, we elect the Mustang the people's best ponycar representative.

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    The chart on this page is not coming through correctly. The formatting keeps getting garbled. Sorry.
     
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    idmtfirefighter Well-Known Member

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    idmtfirefighter Well-Known Member

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    OK so after reading the entire article I find so many inconsistancies I don't know where to start.
    I would literally be writting an entire article pointing out all the inconsistent points.
    Worthless review by motor trend IMO.
    The mustang is #1 but it's not the best looking, handling, or performing of the four. WTH?!?!?
     
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    Theresa Challenger Life Moderator Staff Member

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    You're welcome!
    I managed to snag shots of the chart; it is shown below in three parts. For whatever reason, it resized the middle one to be larger.

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    Shoot, they look crappy and lunch time is over. I hope you can see them well enough to make them out.
     
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    Chris1992 Challenger Life Moderator Staff Member

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    I was about to post this, but you beat me to it Theresa! :(

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