[idmtfirefighter]

OK so I am really tired of the SE not being considered a real challenger because of the V6 by some people.
It's like saying a mustang isn't a mustang unless it's a GT...that's crap.

Note...this attitude is not from anyone on this forum.

In comparing to the originol Challengers, which also had V6's in the base models, the current 3.5L has more bhp than a number of the originol engines, including the V8's
Current SE engine out horsepowers the 225 cu 3.7L, 318 cu 5.2L, 360 cu 5.9L.
The originol engines also where not dyno tested with any accessories like air filters etc which I'm sure would have dropped horsepower.

So whats the deal? When is a challenger a real challenger?
Is it the HEMI? Because I think only the originol 426 cu 7L was a HEMI motor.
Are all those originol Challengers without HEMI's not challengers?
The classic 440 cu six pack out horsepowers the current R/T HEMI so are they not true challengers?

Sorry but this is a sore spot for me.

OK rant over...

 

[Houdini]

LOL

If it says Challenger on the title, it's a Challenger as far as I'm concerned.

I suspect that the ones with the "it doesn't have a Hemi" attitude are the same ones that think a Hemi has gobs more HP than non-Hemi's.

Ford's 427 SOHC in the 60's also had hemispherical heads..... it's just that Chrysler trademarked the name Hemi.

In today's engines, "Hemi" is much more a marketing gimmick than anything - yes they have hemispherical cylinder heads, but there are non-Hemi engines of similar displacement that have similar HP (Camaro, 376 cubic inches, 426 HP - Challenger SRT, 370 cubic inches, 425 HP)

 

[2B3LJ]

LOL

If it says Challenger on the title, it's a Challenger as far as I'm concerned.

I suspect that the ones with the "it doesn't have a Hemi" attitude are the same ones that think a Hemi has gobs more HP than non-Hemi's.

Ford's 427 SOHC in the 60's also had hemispherical heads..... it's just that Chrysler trademarked the name Hemi.

In today's engines, "Hemi" is much more a marketing gimmick than anything - yes they have hemispherical cylinder heads, but there are non-Hemi engines of similar displacement that have similar HP (Camaro, 376 cubic inches, 426 HP - Challenger SRT, 370 cubic inches, 425 HP)

and the 3.5 is more of a hemi head than the hemi is

 

[IntimidatorR/T]

and the 3.5 is more of a hemi head than the hemi is

exactly!! :thumbupleft:

 

[Hemi R/T]

Yes, the people who are saying this are probably really true diehard musclecar owners. To me if you want a Challenger and are not interested in an R/T or SRT8 no matter what the reason your still getting a real nice car for the money. I have an R/T because I grew up during the first musclecar era and have always loved the performance upgraded models. I've even heard why didn't you get an SRT8. I could not see the cost difference when I really didn't like the suede on the seats, the 5.7 was good enough for me I didn't need a 6.1 to put a smile on my face plus other things I felt didn't matter to me. "To Each His Own I Say".

 

[JaxHemi]

I hear ya firefighter. Starting in 1970, Dodge had no less than 7 different engine options, and regardless of the drivetrain, it was still a Challenger! Just because some aren't as crazy about power as the next one, you should crap on their ideals? We are all in love with the styling, some of us have different needs and budgets, but we didn't go out and buy imports because we wanted our dream car. To quote myself after some punk said he would have gotten the SRT8...."well it's MY g*$$amn money"!

Jack

 

[S/S Dodge]

if i want a challenger to enjoy and drive everyday, i would buy the SE
if i wanted a seconds fair weather car, i would buy the R/T.
if i wanted to impress others at local car shows, i would buy the SRT
if i wanted a pure race track car, i would buy the SE and build it.

 

[idmtfirefighter]

I might be willing to grudgingly accept the SE not being called a muscle car.
But to say a SE is not a real Challenger is patently absurd.

 

[GHOSTDANCE]

Hoyboy (R/T) and I were scraping rubber at 95 + miles per hour through the hill country yesterday (stupid BUT ALWAYS had good sightlines before hitting the gas) - no problem keeping up with him on a curvy course - but he would have flat vanished on the freeway


ps I heard you weren't a REAL Fireman unless you had a BIG HOSE!!! WYD??? :blonde: WYD????

 

[sleeve101]

Well if I bought my car as a daily driver...I'd have bought the SE...But knowing full well that it would be a seldom driven car I went with the R/T 6 spd....I love all the models and almost bought the SRT, but just couldn't wrap my head around 12 grand (cdn) more for an SRT....Just be glad you have a challenger and enjoy!!!

I might be willing to grudgingly accept the SE not being called a muscle car.
But to say a SE is not a real Challenger is patently absurd.

 

[idmtfirefighter]

Hoyboy (R/T) and I were scraping rubber at 95 + miles per hour through the hill country yesterday (stupid BUT ALWAYS had good sightlines before hitting the gas) - no problem keeping up with him on a curvy course - but he would have flat vanished on the freeway

ps I heard you weren't a REAL Fireman unless you had a BIG HOSE!!! WYD??? :blonde: WYD????

:lol::rofl:

 

[GHOSTDANCE]

The FUNNY part is that I have heard guys from the classic hemi clubs saying SRT's aren't REAL Hemis because they are under 400 cubic inches!!

 

[idmtfirefighter]

Well if I bought my car as a daily driver...I'd have bought the SE...But knowing full well that it would be a seldom driven car I went with the R/T 6 spd....I love all the models and almost bought the SRT, but just couldn't wrap my head around 12 grand (cdn) more for an SRT....Just be glad you have a challenger and enjoy!!!

I gotta stop spending time on other forums where these attitudes are more prevalent I think.

 

[idmtfirefighter]

The FUNNY part is that I have heard guys from the classic hemi clubs saying SRT's aren't REAL Hemis because they are under 400 cubic inches!!

:think: Maybe I'll throw that out in the pond and see who bites.
Naw...just let it go...I don't know why I let other peoples attitudes rile me up.
Well actually I do know...My Challenger is the first car I have really loved owning in like 15 years...love everything about it...hacks me off when people talk trash for no reason other than to be a$$ hats.

 

[GHOSTDANCE]

do a thread search on the other side for my post
"Attitudes and Testicles"
- post I made a couple of weeks ago that got banned - then reinstated due to protests - you would be AMAZED at the responses from vendors and SRT owners - they agreed almost to a man

 

[IntimidatorR/T]

do a thread search on the other side for my post
"Attitudes and Testicles"
- post I made a couple of weeks ago that got banned - then reinstated due to protests - you would be AMAZED at the responses from vendors and SRT owners - they agreed almost to a man

talk about a thread getting hijacked... wow.

but I do agree with you initial post. :thumbupleft:

 

[sleeve101]

You do mean....That you are going to stay here were it seems we all just love the Challenger regardless of model trim??

I gotta stop spending time on other forums where these attitudes are more prevalent I think.

 

[GHOSTDANCE]

talk about a thread getting hijacked... :thumbupleft:

not a hijack - same subject - here is the original post :

Attitudes and Testicles
you know - MOST of us all get along because we have a common interest - the Dodge Challenger.

But some people want to take it further than that - we have guys that own SRTs dumping on R/T's and SE's - because they are not "CHALLENGER" enough

We have R/T owners dumping on SE's because they are not V8's - like SE's are not "REALLY" Challengers

Then we have drooling imbeciles that if you say that you LIKE an aspect of another brand of car - "OH JEEZ - YOU AIN'T NO TRUE MOPAR MAN - THEY OUGHT TAKE YOUR CHALLENGER AWAY FROM YOU, YOU *&$#*()*%*)%)*^!!!"

NOT COOL!~!

let me help you confused guys out - you have bought a CAR - NOT - AND I REPEAT - NOT TESTICLES!!!!

I would REALLY suggest that some of you OBVIOUSLY need to take a DEEP breath and discover the Wild Wacky Wonderful World of Women (or Guys) - get out of your mom's spare bedroom - and let those CRAMPS in your right hand relax.

I think you will find that the whole thing about who ELSE is this or that will seem a LITTLE LESS important

Hey - I don't care what VERSION of the Challenger some one else drives - I give a thumbs up to someone who has something in common with me - an appreciation for the CAR!

We NEED to tone down some of these comments guys - just because someone does something differently than you does make EITHER of you superior OR inferior - it just makes you different from one another

I am asking everyone to take a stand against this

- if you see a post where one member is downing another member - just look up at the right hand top of the post - see the little pyramid to the right of (permalink) - that is the report post button - press it and the admins will get a copy of the post and can decide whether or not it is appropriate.

This dissing of other members has got to be toned down and that is the quickest way to do it

That is my opinion - lets hear yours

GHOSTDANCE

OH - and if you would like to try out that "testicle" thing vis a vis the SE - please contact either GHOSTDANCE or SickerBee - either one of us can demonstrate the difference to you in a mutually efficient manner

:end

WYD???:angel:WYD???

 

[IntimidatorR/T]

I agreed with that, but the last few pages over there, got it turned into something else.


:bananadance: BTW ..have a banana

 

[idmtfirefighter]

You do mean....That you are going to stay here were it seems we all just love the Challenger regardless of model trim??

Yep...from day one I noticed an immediate difference in the tone and civility of CL versus other forums.
Much more friendly, courteous, and willing to share information.
And most of all just an appreciation for all Challangers, past and present. I mean what a great car regardless of trim level, engine size, color or whatever.